Metaphor: ReFantazio may be one of the most stylish-looking games ever made, even more so than Persona 5, the incredibly flashy Atlus RPG that preceded it. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it turns out the menus that play a huge role in establishing the visual identities of these games are very hard to make.

ReFantazio is no slouch in this department, either, and Studio Zero director Katsura Hashino was recently asked about its gorgeous menu design, and you can almost hear him audibly sigh. Speaking to The Verge,

Metaphor: ReFantazio is the latest turn-based role-playing game from Atlus. Developed by Atlus’ Studio Zero, it holds many similarities to the Persona series, although there are key differences, such as more action-oriented gameplay and a switch to a fantasy world.